The significance of the numerals of The Book of Thoth:
This short post is to initiate conversation.
Love is the law, love under will.
]]>I would like to initiate a thread dedicated to Crowley's usage of "puzzles", ciphers, hints of ciphers, within the context of theater, poetry, prose, etc, specifically in Liber al Vel Legis as a specific paralanguage of the text.
I am putting this thread in the "Qabalah" section of Lashtal, because I just found it yesterday :)
Specifically, the threads by this member @Duck, and the thrill of seeing that he (she?) and I came to the same conclusions on the cipher, in two different ways :)
What Duck and I have in common is we are tossing aside the classic "gematria" approach, to the approach of using the paralanguage of the text at face value, and just try stuff that is mathematical, or at least within reason to the book, and approach it just like a fun exercise.
Now since Chp 1 paralanguage of Nuit's voice which is mathematical, precise, clear, unambiguous, rational, honest and transparent, and she uses this process to help us arrive at "Sunyata", pure emptiness and nonduality as both an actual state of experience as well as a definitive teaching, Hadit is going to teach us how to discover this in an entirely different manner.
Nuit also gave us a paralogical form, 0, 1, and 2, to understand Liber al Vel Legis, and Chp 2 is exactly where we can begin to test that.
At this stage, it is a good idea to have some sort of proper concept of "Sunyata" for this to make any sense.
The Paralanguage of Chapter 2
While Nuit commands our reverence, Hadit is a "tough love" challenge, more like a big brother, for his voice is the voice of Art to Nuit's Science, the "fiction" to her "fact", the "personal" to her "all". Where Nuit is "rational", Hadit is going to dazzle us with "irrational".
While Nuit's voice applies mathematical themes, Hadit's voice employs narrative themes.
These narrative themes are puzzle and theater, fighting and death.
Hadit is the voice of "concealing" that which Nuit is "revealing", and challenging our understanding so we can preserve the "mystery".
The paralanguage of Chp 2 is the "symbolic" voice (2).
This is the opposite of Nuit's voice, who speaks in the "actual" (1,1)
What we find is not just Hadit teaching us a new symbolic way to arrive at Sunyata, but we find a naturally occurring "dialectic" happening, two viewpoints that are opposites, but opposites in a state of complimentary union, without tension.
So I am only going to show this paralanguage revelation, a new understanding of this "nothingness", "Sunyata" with the most glaring of puzzles in Liber al Vel Legis, the "cipher".

"Mystery"
That's it. That is the cipher key for Chp 2.
It is mystery what that text means.
We do not know.
We will not ever know.
There is no "answer" there, there is only mystery.
The text is empty of all meaning (0), just like the self is empty of any actual self.
Everything all of us has ever hoped it to mean is all just our projection onto what the "mystery" is.
The Mystery has no meaning. It has no possible concept. It has no union. It has no division. It has no self. It has no god. It has nothing. Mystery is the pure state of nonduality in the face of true and false.
I could swap the word "mystery" with the word "Sunyata" to discover why it is the "glad word" of the text, but this chp is written in Hadit's voice, not Nuit's, and Hadit tells us how to arrive at this differently.
The Great Mystery of the Western school is the Sunyata of the Eastern School, this is the teaching of Chp 2.
I could also swap "sunyata" with the secret key word of the entire book (Sht, 31) as well when we understand that Sht = Sunyata, but we haven't arrive there yet :)
How do I arrive at it?
Differently than Duck. Ducks method of arrival is an incredible proof of the paralanguage of the text, independent from me. That's amazing!
I arrive at it following the paralanguage of the book as a piece of literature, and Hadit virtually gives the answer away for free in the fourth line of his chapter.
And in the paralogic of the text, the ternary logic is 0 = Mystery.
Duck's words were "LA", "OM", and 0/Mystery.
LA is "not", or what the conceptual mind throws up in the face of mystery. "Not" is the "art" of not being, the art of mystery.
"OM" (also "aum", which the text ends with) is "the totality of existence", or Sunyata by another manner.
There is a natural didactic and dialectical conversation between "Not" and "Mystery", 0 and 2, happening within Chp 2, over and over and over.
This "Not" is the equivalent of the paralogical "false", and the nature of "false" conceptually, the "tantric" view of false as another profound truth, instead of something to be avoided or feared in the T vs F dualistic reality.
Yet she shall be known & I never.
Hadit gives away his key of "mystery" right away in line 4, which I view as an act of compassion, because right after he gives it away so freely, he is going to take it back and challenge the bejesus out of us.
Hadit, as the self, is the eternal "mystery", another paradox, semantically identical to "Sunyata".
Now can we keep our mental state "in the mystery" while we read Chp 2, and then observe what our minds do, especially our conceptual minds, do with each further riddle?
Can we keep the "mystery" throughout the text, without falling into the pit of "because"?
Hadit introduces two major themes into the text in this chapter.
The first theme is a didactic one, a conversation between "self and other", introducing concepts of "others" and challenging us to define ourselves, perhaps even dangerous so watch out!
The second theme Hadit introduces is "battle" and fighting.
What is this fight?
How does "pure nothingness", Mystery, and the conceptual mind creating images of the Great Mystery (Not), have to do with fighting?
Hadit is the "dojo" for the "battle" coming in Chp3 :)
And now we have three psychological states to play with in this great battle.
0= Mystery, the Union of True and False, Art and Science, Actual and Symbolic, finite and infinite, War and Love, The Whole System. NonDuality
1 = Actual, truth, math, science, rational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Nuit
2 = Symbolic, falsity, poetry, art, irrational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Hadit
To understand the battle Hadit teaches the mind how to integrate Mystery from True and False, another way to use Nuit's tool (0, 1, and 2) but in a way that can produce both narrative themes as well as didactic confrontation into a synthesis.
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as this is my first post on here I first wanted to thank you deeply for your stimulating discussions. Just discovered this site yesterday night and it's the first forum after years of abstinence (besides social media) where I decided to create an account. I just read a few threads but enjoyed all of them. A big thanks to Shiva, Ignant666 and elitemachinery in particular. Especially Shiva, man, I'm really impressed by your writing, spirit and vision. I quickly checked out your website at angelfire earlier, it's a bit dated for sure but I recognize the value.
Okay, enough boot licking but believe me it was an honest compliment.
My current question would be as follows: You are surely aware of the connection between Eliphas Levi and Aleister Crowley. So some days ago I wanted to check their Gematria as Aleister and Eliphas in all likelihood considered it when picking their stage names. The problem I encountered was the Hebrew translation of their names. Couldn't really find it on the www. and I'm afraid I don't know what to do with the vowels in Hebrew. When to use them in a name and when not to. For example would the "ei" in "Aleister" be one "vav" a "double Vav" or something completly different? Also would the "t" be a Theth or a Tau/Tav? Same problems with the vowels in Eliphas Levi. Also "s" could be Samekh or Tzaddi.
I just assumed Hebrew Gematria would be most important to them. I coudn't really find any matches between these two names in English Gematria, I havn't tried Greek so. As many words in Thelema are Grecian origin it might be an option. Nevertheless Greek offers the same problem to me as there are several options for letters like "e".
Love is the Law
Greetings from Germany,
Stephan
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The above is a link to an "essay" I wrote called the "Kamea of Babalon". It is based on the Trigrammaton work found in "The Book of Mutations" by RL Gillis, and is a continuation of his work. It is full of large numbers and somewhat dry, yet it is a foundational dissertation. I will be writing more.
133!
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Yod = Fire, Atzilut (Emanation)
Heh¹ = Water, Beriah (Creation)
Vav = Air, Yetzirah (Formation)
Heh² = Earth, Assiah (Action)
So far as I can tell, it isn't Jewish (certainly it's not in any traditional sources I've seen), so I am guessing it is an invention of the Renaissance or later to bring Kabbalah together with the Hermetic arts of Alchemy.
If it is in fact of older vintage, I may have found something very interesting in Sefer Yetzirah. Otherwise, I've just found a fun coincidence. 🙃
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This topic is about the sequence of the 28 alphanumeric glyphs found in the 76th verse of the second chapter of Liber L vel Legis, as seen in the picture below, provided by Lutz.
This is NOT a thread about the more general 'solutions' to this Cipher, it is only for explanations of the actual sequence of letters and numbers. In other words, do not wax prosaic about the wonderful number 89 as the 24th prime number, blah blah blah, but why is 89 in the 20th place in this sequence, (or the 9th going backwards, or the 26th going right to left and top to bottom)? And why is every other character in their particular place?
I would expect very few posts to this thread, for the very simple reason that almost no 'solution' to this Cipher accounts for the particular sequence of the characters. Nevertheless, it can be a thread awaiting the time when someone does come across an explanation for the sequence.
Love is the law
Resh Lamed Gimel
Sun Balances Moon
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This is the most "convincing" example of numerology that I have discovered, and using the simple A=1, B=2, C=3 method. I did a quick web search and couldn't find it so this may be a Lashtal exclusive.
Thoth is fairly well known here I think, as well as any other attributes he may have he's the Moon God. I made a post on another thread about the Sun/Moon distances etc. The average distance of the Moon from Earth is 384,400 km.
T = 20, H = 8, O = 15, T = 20, H = 8
20 * 8 * 15 * 20 * 8 = 384000
just 400 off from the "official" figure!
A nice coincidence, or ... or ...
Thoth's name is somehow "uncreated" (outside space/time) and there is something to this numerology stuff after all.
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"Divide, add, multiply, and understand"
How about we just divide for now and see what it gets us. The rest can be done later. 😉
Some time ago I made a spreadsheet with the Hebrew numeral value divided by the Atu number for the 22 cards. Those results are interesting to speculate on but this post deals with just the most significant of these, which I only noticed yesterday.
I did some research and asked on another thread for some direct connection between Crowley and the tarot card "The World/Universe". Without this bit of info this post wouldn't have been worth making. I didn't find an interesting enough connection with A.C., but in the end I didn't need this, I noticed a connection with the "Cipher" itself.
The first "block" of characters in the cipher: 4 6 3 8, the sum of these is 21, the number of the "Universe" card.
400 / 21 = 19.0476 (and the same sequence of digits repeats)
From this we can see some significant numbers:
1904 (everyone knows this one, I think)
47, the year of the Prophet's "Greater Feast"
76, the verse number of the cipher where we just got the "21" (there is only one verse 76 in the book)
and it ends in 6, as if its a short form of 666 (maybe the universe couldn't quite find a way to give 666 when it began so gave us this mini form instead 🙂 ).
So, there is some interesting "symbology" going on here and I hope this is a good example of why us "numbernerds" do what we do. If you were "wacky" enough you could say something like "This is a symbol of the Prophet and his Holy book encoded into the structure of Reality", but that might be a bit silly (or maybe its not? 😳 ).
The results of dividing with the other cards give some interesting figures too and there is more symbolism to be found in them. It may be more meaningful to calculate them yourself (ideally mentally/with pen + paper, I was lazy and used a spreadsheet). I remember @runelogix saying he did something similar but with multiplication, so this may be of interest to you.
Thanks,
The HGA of a Duck
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The time has come to present to you my interesting and entertaining "findings" from the Liber AL cipher. I don't claim any of this to be a "solution" to the cipher, or a solution to any problem at all. In fact if this was the "solution", I'd be a bit disappointed. It doesn't explain why those particular numbers and letters were used, why in that order, or why the symbols were written like they are in the manuscript. And after sitting on these "findings" for some time, I have begun to wonder if they are just a "waste product" of my (limited) spiritual development that has got me to the (limited) level of understanding I am now at.
I am rather lazy, with poor concentration. I was always too lazy to learn "proper" gematria. I found the "turning each letter into a number" and them "adding them all up" a bit boring. You can turn a word into a number and see how it relates to other words that make that number, but you can't turn that number back into one single word (as far as I know). I am now starting to learn some of this method and have finally started to read a bit of Sepher Sephiroth. But before this I went on a little "quest" to see if I could find something "more interesting".
A Brief (Re)Introduction to Numerical Bases (skip this if you already understand this):
In base 10 (or decimal) we use ten symbols (0 to 9) represent numbers. We start with 1 and get to 9. We have now run out of symbols so we start a new column (the first power of ten), and put a one there and put a zero in the first column: 10. "10" shows "1 lot of first powers" and "zero digits" (we could also call the digits "zero powers", the zero power of any number is always 1, but this isn't important now). When we get to 99 we run out of symbols again so we start a new column: the second power of ten, 100. You get the idea, when we run out of symbols we start a new column to show the next power, starting with digits on the right and increasing powers to the left.
In base 11 we need an extra symbol for "ten", this is usually "A". So now we have 11 symbols: 0, 1, 2... 8, 9, A. We start with 1 and get to A (ten). Now we add a new column to show the first power of eleven. So in base eleven, eleven is represented as "10" ("one first power and zero digits"). Twelve is "11", thirteen "12" ... twentyone is "1A" (one first power and "A" (ten) digits.
Base 12 needs an extra symbol, "B". So in base 12, eleven is B and twelve is "10". You get the idea, we need an extra symbol every time we go up a base 1 unit higher. Here is a nice little base converter if you want to get a feel for this:
https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/baseconverter.html
We could use any set of symbols to represent any base, as long as we know the order (and value). With base 26 we could use the numbers 0 to 9 and A to P to get 26 symbols. But we want to use all 26 letters of the English Alphabet, so lets go with A to Z. Here we come to a little problem where a little "sacrifice" has to be made: one of the letters is going to have to be zero. I wanted to keep the order of the letters the same, that's how we normally think of the alphabet. We normally think of "A" as the first letter and "Z" the last, and its easy to think they should have the values 1 to 26, but as I showed earlier, we go up to 25 and then start a new column. We could have A = 1, B = 2 ... Y = 25 and Z = 0, but we don't think of "0" following "9". So sorry "A", its got to be you: A = 0, B = 1 ... Z = 25. So now when we get to Z (25) and start a new column (one lot of first powers and zero digits), we get "BA" (this word/number may or may not be interesting in itself).
With all that boring stuff out of the way, let's get on with the fun.
I started messing around, seeing what words looked like as numbers and what numbers looked like as letters. I was using a calculator at first but then discovered this useful site:
https://www.dcode.fr/base26cipher
(it also has an option where A = 1, Z = 26, but this makes less sense to me)
So I found out that this is all just a "Base 26 Cipher". The word "Cat" becomes 1371 and "Dog" becomes 2398. The number "418" becomes "QC", the number "666" becomes "ZQ", and the number "718" becomes "BBQ" (lol). 😀
With longer words we start to get some pretty big, unwieldy numbers:
Manifestation = 1,147,027,170,262,245,233
Unveiling = 4,287,493,435,504
Heaven = 85,011,849
Nothing = 4,191,055,680
If there is such a thing as "base 26 Qabalah", its going to need a lot more brainpower than I have (at least "nothing" ends with "80", so maybe that's a start).
I can only really give you one example of this new "Qabalah" that gives an interesting result (or just a coincidence?):
Thoth = 8,815,541
8,815,541 / 666 = 13,236.54804...
or
13,236 with a remainder of 365!
So you could say, when we shine the sun (666) on the God of the Moon, he gives us 365 (in the myths Thoth created the 365 day calendar).
OK, let's get to the Cipher:
4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L
We now "flip" the letters to numbers (with the values A = 0 ... Z = 25):
4 6 3 8 0 1 10 2 4 0 11 6 12 14 17 3 24 23 24 89 17 15 18 19 14 21 0 11
Now some very simple "adding them all up":
4+6+3+8+0+1+10+2+4+0+11+6+12+14+17+3+24+23+24+89+17+15+18+19+14+21+0+11
= 376
Spoilers coming up!
In base 26, 376 becomes ... OM! 🙂
(A glad word maybe). It may just be a coincidence (does Aiwass "do" coincidences?), I find it interesting that treating the cipher with one of the most basic "orders and values" and then using the most relevant numerical base for the "English Alphabet" happens to give this little word. I was expecting it to give some gibberish like "KZ".
A fun little "checksum": the running total number (from page 1 chapter 1) of the cipher page is 42.
42 + 376 = ... yup!
Now part two:
After looking at the cipher in the manuscript for some time I noticed that it contains the prime factors of 418 in its "elements":
Its written over 2 lines
It has 11 digits (24 and 89 have 4 digits)
19 letters
2 * 11 * 19 = 418. I wondered if this could be a "checksum" for the correct way to read the cipher. Was Aiwass trolling the Prophet when he said "twentyfour" "eightynine" instead of "two" "four" "eight" "nine", thus throwing him off the scent and making "know not, nor shalt thou know ever"? Its kind of poetic: Crowley the mastertroll himself gets trolled by his higher self! 🙂
So with this reading of the cipher we get:
4 6 3 8 0 1 10 2 4 0 11 6 12 14 17 3 24 23 2 4 8 9 17 15 18 19 14 21 0 11
"adding them all up"
4+6+3+8+0+1+10+2+4+0+11+6+12+14+17+3+24+23+2+4+8+9+17+15+18+19+14+21+0+11
= 286
Spoilers coming up!
In base 26 we now get another interesting word:
286 = ... LA!
So either way we look at the cipher we get something relevant, both with their own "checksum". If this post is interesting to you, please "peerreview" it, I might have made a little mistake and I'm OK with it all coming tumbling down if that's the case.
I can make a follow up post with more findings related to these 2 numbers, but I think this is enough for now. Also some of you may want to find these yourself and I don't want to give any spoilers too soon.
Kind regards,
The HGA of a Duck.
p.s. As a little parting "gift", What lies beyond base 26? With base 27 we can add a "mystery" symbol to represent zero. Now we have ? = 0, A = 1, B = 2 ... Z = 26. A quick way to turn a fairly small number into a two letter word is divide it by 27 and get the remainder. Try it:
418 = ... 😊
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I once read someone arguing that it equals something "physically" proven about the Sun, probably related to its distance from the earth, unfortunately I can't remember all of the information neither the source.
Currently, I repeat the number 93 with my prayer beads, but also use this number occasionally, and I'm still trying to figure and sense the energetic nuances that result from both.
Aziz
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